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Old interview shows AT saying Kid Boo is the strongest - is this egit?
Topic Started: Dec 28 2014, 02:37 AM (2,727 Views)
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This is Nanho we're talking about. Take him with a grain of salt. He's basically pakl tier anyways.

Evil Boo obliterates Pure Boo and it's made very clear in the manga. The ones that believe Pure Boo > Evil Boo are just ignorant and biased.

Interview could be fake. People create fake scans and interviews all the time to try to prove their point, 'cause they refuse to believe something that disprove their beliefs. As long as they have some Photoshop knowledge, they can create some good-looking fake stuff.
And I don't see any source where said interview can be found.
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Dec 28 2014, 02:55 AM
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http://lounge.moviecodec.com/manga/kid-buu-strongest-buu-151784/

Somebody posted this on one of my videos. Is this interview legit? I can't recall if this was disproved.
Even if it is legit (I seem to remember something like that similar looking to one of the old issues of Shonen Jump I used to have) AT contradicts his own work. So... Moot anyway.
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I'll say this now. Toriyama isn't normally one to answer strength related questions, especially if it's going to involve something as convoluted as the Majin Boo arc. I can almost guarntee if you if someone were to ask where Pure Boo stood in comparison to Evil Boo, he'd say figure it out for yourself. Either that or he'd troll the sh** out of us and give us an answer we wouldn't expect. When it comes to stuff like Godku vs Beerus, it's an easy question to answer because we are already given specific numbers to help us differentiate who's stronger. Godku is weaker than 70% of Beerus's strength so Godku's 6 to Beerus's 10 is pretty simple conclusion to come to.
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Nanho, I have an honest question. Do you base your beliefs on fanslations you come across on the internet (like what Mangafox used to be), or do you use Viz and Herms? It appears to me that the former is more likely, and that could be why some of these issues arise.
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Dec 28 2014, 04:10 PM
Sure let's use common sense. Common sense says look at the statements, statements say Goku can't beat Super Boo but can defeat Kid Boo.

Common sense says Super Boo>Kid Boo.

Well argument again finished, Super Boo is stronger. Although anyone with common sense would've realized that.
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no, common sense would tell you:

1/Kais reaction and statement points to pure buu> evil

2/It goes well with akiras style; The villain with the least intimidating appearance is 'surprisingly' the strongest.

3/Vegetas statements during the kid buu fight. they hold no weight with super buu being stronger than kid

4/ The spirit bomb implied being the only hope

5/ The common progression of the show; weakest to strongest.

With considering all this, common sense would tell you to go back and properly analyse that statement i.e goku just said that for vegeta to commit to fusion...


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Dec 28 2014, 06:41 PM
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Dec 28 2014, 04:10 PM
Sure let's use common sense. Common sense says look at the statements, statements say Goku can't beat Super Boo but can defeat Kid Boo.

Common sense says Super Boo>Kid Boo.

Well argument again finished, Super Boo is stronger. Although anyone with common sense would've realized that.
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no, common sense would tell you:

1/Kais reaction and statement points to pure buu> evil

2/It goes well with akiras style; The villain with the least intimidating appearance is 'surprisingly' the strongest.

3/Vegetas statements during the kid buu fight. they hold no weight with super buu being stronger than kid

4/ The spirit bomb implied being the only hope

5/ The common progression of the show; weakest to strongest.

With considering all this, common sense would tell you to go back and properly analyse that statement i.e goku just said that for vegeta to commit to fusion...


1. No they don't, unless you're watching the anime.
2. That's not Toriyama's style. Making the next enemy stronger than the last is simply natural progression, and even then that can be mixed up. Making Boo weak enough to manage is one way to do it.
3. What statements? Vegeta coming to grips with the fact that Goku is stronger? That's all that realization amounts to. Him claiming "Goku is number 1" is just Vegeta admitting he's inferior, there are no underlying suggestions or implications.
4. It really wasn't. Vegeta was pretty clear in suggesting that the people of Earth should take care of themselves for once.
5. Now you're just repeating yourself.
Common sense would also tell us that Pure Boo was made weaker to match Goku because Goku admitted inferiority to Evil Boo.
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Sure let's use common sense. Common sense says look at the statements, statements say Goku can't beat Super Boo but can defeat Kid Boo.

Common sense says Super Boo>Kid Boo.

Well argument again finished, Super Boo is stronger. Although anyone with common sense would've realized that.
hm

no, common sense would tell you:

1/Kais reaction and statement points to pure buu> evil

2/It goes well with akiras style; The villain with the least intimidating appearance is 'surprisingly' the strongest.

3/Vegetas statements during the kid buu fight. they hold no weight with super buu being stronger than kid

4/ The spirit bomb implied being the only hope

5/ The common progression of the show; weakest to strongest.

With considering all this, common sense would tell you to go back and properly analyse that statement i.e goku just said that for vegeta to commit to fusion...


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no, common sense would tell you:

1/Kais reaction and statement points to pure buu> evil


Dangerous doesn't mean strongest. He's worried because this Boo just destroys without a care; it could simply destroy the planet they were on and end things right then. He's much more unpredictable and destructive, so therefore more likely to end things quickly.

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2/It goes well with akiras style; The villain with the least intimidating appearance is 'surprisingly' the strongest.


Except, y'know, Toriyama making Goku say that they still couldn't beat Boo when they freed everyone.

And Toriyama making Gotenks stronger than Goku then giving him two extra forms

And Toriyama making Gohan stronger than Gotenks, who's stronger than Goku

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3/Vegetas statements during the kid buu fight. they hold no weight with super buu being stronger than kid


Which statements would these be?

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4/ The spirit bomb implied being the only hope


The only hope that isn't an incompetent teenager and an immature brat. Vegeta refused to bring Gotenks and Gohan back because they could've possibly messed around and got absorbed. The Spirit Bomb was the safer strategy. (Well, that and Vegeta suddenly wanted the humans to take responsibility for some reason)

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5/ The common progression of the show; weakest to strongest.


''Common Progression'' doesn't override direct statements we're given in the original material

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With considering all this, common sense would tell you to go back and properly analyse that statement i.e goku just said that for vegeta to commit to fusion...


Common sense would tell you that you should properly analyse it, yes. Which we've done. You should try doing so, it's quite enlightening.

Edited by Yu Narukami, Dec 28 2014, 06:54 PM.
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Toriyama doesn't really deal with too many strength-related questions. He usually changes the subject, cracks a joke, or answers in the most indirect way his troll brain can think of. Do you truly believe when he was asked that question, Toriyama's brain began pumping with manga panels and he reminisced about what exactly went down regarding the whole Boo shenanigans?
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Please note again how Nanho can't answer the actual question. He can't go around actually pulling out any direct statements or evidence from the manga. He's got to instead start making these random conjectures. I mean its understandable if you want to make Kid Boo>Super Boo. Because as I already said you can't use the manga to support your evidence.

Because the manga already told Super Boo>Kid Boo. And when he's given that point in the manga, instead of trying to refute it, he ignores it and just starts making stuff up.

I keep making this comparison but it works so well, it is exactly how a fundamentalist debates.

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Sigh. How is this topic still being debated. In the manga, It is clear as day that Super Buu> Kid Buu. If you read the manga and cometo the conclusion that Kid Buu was stronger, you are either a big Kid Buu fanboy or completely retarded.

Goku was terrified to fight Super Boo and outright admitted that if we were to fight him, he would die. He was literally sweating bullets. Goku needed fusion to to beat him.

Goku was comfortable when Super Boo reverted to Kid Boo and insisted in fighting him alone, and didn't think fusion was necessary. Now tell me. Why would Goku even attempt to fight a Boo that was stronger than the Boo that he was terrified to fight? And dont say he underestimated him—Goku and Vegeta could both sense his Ki, and had just felt it drop right after it increased(when he turned into Buff Buu). They literally shat themselves when Buff Buu appeared.

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Dangerous doesn't mean strongest. He's worried because this Boo just destroys without a care; it could simply destroy the planet they were on and end things right then. He's much more unpredictable and destructive, so therefore more likely to end things quickly.

In a manga mainly about which power is greater than which or which power is more feared do you really think the main concern for that buu is his insanity? also not that it needs mentioning super buu was already planing on killing everyone..




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Except, y'know, Toriyama making Goku say that they still couldn't beat Boo when they freed everyone.

Yeah, he also made goku say he stood no chance against fat buu because vegeta couldnt take him then a couple of pages later goku goes ssj3..



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And Toriyama making Gotenks stronger than Goku then giving him two extra forms

What? where is that stated?

what we saw was akira having goku make a "prediction" and telling piccolo its a risk thats best for the future of earth. and later (akira) giving piccolo the most unconvincing/unenthusiastic expressions once seeing gotnks. What that obviously means is, gotenks was predicted to be above buu but turned out being s***.



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Which statements would these be?

Of course i'm talking about his line about goku being the only one that can fight buu.


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The only hope that isn't an incompetent teenager and an immature brat. Vegeta refused to bring Gotenks and Gohan back because they could've possibly messed around and got absorbed. The Spirit Bomb was the safer strategy. (Well, that and Vegeta suddenly wanted the humans to take responsibility for some reason)

incompetent how? and goku was a child when he saved the earth wasnt he? so was gohan. Regardless, in this simplistic manga all that is insignificant.

If gohan and gotenks had the power to easily defeat buu then they would have been considered a viable option and yet goku doesnt insist upon it..and that whole scene with the spirit bombed goes on to imply that if the spirit bomb were to fail they'l all be done in.



Well i'm finish here. i'm too busy to be back and fourth in argument with people being stubborn making me having to repeat myself..

maybe some other time on my day off i'll be less tired and more tolerable.


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Baseless assumptions. I'm sorry, but the evidence against you is overwhelming, mate.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

You see at this point, until you can show where the line about Goku being scared of Super Boo but not only willing to fight Kid Boo but also being able to defeat him was proven wrong then Super Boo>Kid Boo will always stand. And mind you even if you manage to disprove Goku's ability to fight and defeat Kid Boo, that still wouldn't disprove Super Boo's superiority over Kid Boo.

It's the same issue with Gotenks and Fat Boo. Even if you managed to find a way to support SSJ3 Goku's superiority over Gotenks, that doesn't mean that Gotenks' ability to defeat Fat Boo becomes false.

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Dangerous doesn't mean strongest. He's worried because this Boo just destroys without a care; it could simply destroy the planet they were on and end things right then. He's much more unpredictable and destructive, so therefore more likely to end things quickly.

In a manga mainly about which power is greater than which or which power is more feared do you really think the main concern for that buu is his insanity? also not that it needs mentioning super buu was already planing on killing everyone..


Yes, I do, considering a huge deal was made out of his insanity and unpredictability. I don't know if you noticed or not, but Evil Boo didn't destroy the planet wily-nilly. He killed the entire human race, yes, but he still fought Goku, Gohan, Gotenks and Vegeta without destroying the planet. With Pure Boo, he destroyed the planet as soon as he was introduced.


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Except, y'know, Toriyama making Goku say that they still couldn't beat Boo when they freed everyone.

Yeah, he also made goku say he stood no chance against fat buu because vegeta couldnt take him then a couple of pages later goku goes ssj3..


Could you provide a direct quote on that?

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And Toriyama making Gotenks stronger than Goku then giving him two extra forms

What? where is that stated?

what we saw was akira having goku make a "prediction" and telling piccolo its a risk thats best for the future of earth. and later (akira) giving piccolo the most unconvincing/unenthusiastic expressions once seeing gotnks. What that obviously means is, gotenks was predicted to be above buu but turned out being s***.


Right, 'cause Piccolo's a complete idiot who has no idea what he's doing, correct? He was able to sense SSJ Gotenks and had no problem with the idea of Gotenks fighting Boo once he checked his speed, not his power. What does that mean? Well, it means that his power was sufficient enough to deal with Boo.

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Which statements would these be?

Of course i'm talking about his line about goku being the only one that can fight buu.


Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P8.2
Context: as Goku fights pure Boo
Vegeta: “Kakarot…You’re incredible…I am simply no match for that Majin Boo…You’re the only one capable of fighting him…”

Yup. That's because Gohan and Gotenks are dead.


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The only hope that isn't an incompetent teenager and an immature brat. Vegeta refused to bring Gotenks and Gohan back because they could've possibly messed around and got absorbed. The Spirit Bomb was the safer strategy. (Well, that and Vegeta suddenly wanted the humans to take responsibility for some reason)

incompetent how? and goku was a child when he saved the earth wasnt he? so was gohan. Regardless, in this simplistic manga all that is insignificant.


Gohan messed around with his opponent instead of ending it quickly twice. He doesn't exactly have a good track record, does he?

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If gohan and gotenks had the power to easily defeat buu then they would have been considered a viable option and yet goku doesnt insist upon it..and that whole scene with the spirit bombed goes on to imply that if the spirit bomb were to fail they'l all be done in.


They were considered. It's just that Vegeta got this idea that the humans should take responsibility for Boo, for some odd reason. Goku didn't insist because;

1) He knew that the Genki Dama would work
2) He didn't want to risk Gohan or Gotenks getting absorbed by Boo



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Well i'm finish here. i'm too busy to be back and fourth in argument with people being stubborn making me having to repeat the same points over and over..


Isn't that exactly what you're doing?

The only reason we're making the same points repeatedly is because you're being very stubborn.

Edited by Yu Narukami, Dec 29 2014, 01:17 AM.
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